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Post by rab007 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:29 pm

Been doing a bit of research to nite on setting up a marine tank it's fir my mum nothing to hard to keep a pair of clowns and a good clean up crue
I have got a juwel Rio 125 with inturnel filter
deltec 300 hang on protein skimmer
I need a wavemaker what size ?
I was reading earlier that u need 1.25 lbs of live sand and rock per gallon
So my tank is 125lt = 27 gallon so
1.25x27=33.75lbs= 15 kgs seem like a he'll of a lot of sand and rock code

Help lol
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Post by Kelly on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:05 pm

Paul and Andrew best to answer for you thumbs up
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Post by davey_c on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:30 pm

1st piece of advice is pull out that internal filter and get an external, they give much better flow and turnover not to mention somewhere to put some l/r so the display doesn't look crowded... take it your going for a fowlr setup then?

you need 1/5 total volume in l/r so for a 125L tank it'll take 25kg.
for wavemaker ye need 20x turnover so for a 125x20= 2500l/h which will be between your filter and a suitable wavemaker.
don't have the sandbed too deep, maybe about 1" or so will do.
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Post by Monty Belfast on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:00 pm

hi mate
general rule regarding liverock its 1 kg per 10l of water for a 125l you will need at least 13 kg

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Post by rab007 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:04 pm

davey_c wrote:1st piece of advice is pull out that internal filter and get an external, they give much better flow and turnover not to mention somewhere to put some l/r so the display doesn't look crowded... take it your going for a fowlr setup then?

you need 1/5 total volume in l/r so for a 125L tank it'll take 25kg.
for wavemaker ye need 20x turnover so for a 125x20= 2500l/h which will be between your filter and a suitable wavemaker.
don't have the sandbed too deep, maybe about 1" or so will do.
So 25kg of live rock and enough sand to cover the bottom an inch deep I thought an exturnel filthy would fight agents the live rock? But I would be happy to remove it for I don't like it
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Post by Monty Belfast on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:08 pm

sorry mate 25 kg is abit overkill, if using a external filter remove all sponges and media, you dont want anything competing with the bacteria in the liverock, remember liverock is a biological filter

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Post by davey_c on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:26 pm

i'd like to see you say to the salties 25kg is overkill.... i was recommended to get 60kg for a 300L for adequate filtration. anyhow i'll take a step back because i'll only cost ye money laugh
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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:39 pm

I looked into it a while back and was told to get Fiji grade A live rock, 1kg per 10ltrs I think? It was a 60ltr tank and was told 6-7kg.

There is a post somewhere in here about it. You also need a good strong wavemaker and lighting.

Don't think I needed a filter either?

Might be some use?

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Post by rab007 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:50 pm

don't do that been thinking on going in to them for a wile but don't no that much about them so I need all the into I can get starting with a small tank first to see how it goes and if I'm enjoying it I'll move from the malawis to the saltys
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Post by Monty Belfast on Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:52 pm

Big Chris wrote:I looked into it a while back and was told to get Fiji grade A live rock, 1kg per 10ltrs I think? It was a 60ltr tank and was told 6-7kg.

There is a post somewhere in here about it. You also need a good strong wavemaker and lighting.

Don't think I needed a filter either?

Might be some use?

fiji grade A rock is about the best you can get,but a little more expensive dobbies in lisburn sell it £12.50 per KG. no use for internal filters unles you are just using it to hide the heater and maybe add some rowaphos or carbon.
as for an external filter IMO they have no use in a marine tank, i always say if you can get a sump built for the cabinet do it. Sump tanks are highly recomended, the more volume of water the easier it is to keep parameters stable, if theres a sump you can also have most of the equipment in there and when doing waterchanges/RO topups you can do them from the sump so the display tank is not getting disturbed yep

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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by rab007 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:00 pm

Thanks mate
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by Monty Belfast on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:05 pm



yes mate maybe, but its a golden rule 1kg per 10l of water, have a check yourself. So that means he needs 12-13 kg thats why i said its overkill and theres no need for the 25kg. Its only 125 l tank with the substrate and 25kg of rock where are the fish going to swim???? have you ever seen 25 kg of rock? that would nearly fill 125l tank on its own

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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by cichlidguy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:43 am

i myself was going to say 12-13kg of live rock and wat chris.m was saying about fiji grade a is the best as its the most pourist rock you can buy.i have a 90ltr tank running atm and have a 200ltr mutureing and would agree with davey on external but think you would be safe with that size tank to use an internal as this is wat i have used in my 90ltr atm but have external got for new tank !!!
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by Monty Belfast on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:45 am

cichlidguy wrote:i myself was going to say 12-13kg of live rock and wat chris.m was saying about fiji grade a is the best as its the most pourist rock you can buy.i have a 90ltr tank running atm and have a 200ltr mutureing and would agree with davey on external but think you would be safe with that size tank to use an internal as this is wat i have used in my 90ltr atm but have external got for new tank !!!


Get that 200l tank sumped mate its soo much better
Ps it was me who said fiji grade A is the best you can buy lol

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Post by cichlidguy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:50 am

Monty Belfast wrote:
cichlidguy wrote:i myself was going to say 12-13kg of live rock and wat chris.m was saying about fiji grade a is the best as its the most pourist rock you can buy.i have a 90ltr tank running atm and have a 200ltr mutureing and would agree with davey on external but think you would be safe with that size tank to use an internal as this is wat i have used in my 90ltr atm but have external got for new tank !!!


Get that 200l tank sumped mate its soo much better

i would like to get it sumped mt8 but no point as i know myself i will be going bigger in 6mths time again and this is when i will be buying a sumped tank thumbs up

ps how would you go about sumping it.i seen the hang on overflow boxes but wasnt sure !!!
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by Monty Belfast on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:56 am

Yes mate hang on overflow box's are spot on especially if you dont fancy drilling the tank then just buy a decent return pump. Nearly any tank that has a cabinet can be modified to fit a sump thumbs up

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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by cichlidguy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:01 am

ya had taught about an overflow but my cabinnet is far to small for sump and also i bought this 200ltr tank with most of the equipment with it like juwel skimmer etc so will use this and move onto sumthing biger afterwards wink
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by Monty Belfast on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:04 am

You can buy sumps or make one to fit inside the cabinet

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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by andrewo on Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:13 pm

Yes definitely sump > external > internal; for larger tanks of 3 foot and above definitely a sump needed.

I go with the rule 10-15% live rock of volume water; good quality live rock; more during initial stages and when parameters stable I usually remove some of the rock/sell them off.

There is bound to be different opinions out there depending also on what system you intend to go down the line- traditional berlin or zeovits(in this case live rock not as essential) or lately carbon dosing.
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by Paul on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:00 pm

Ask ANYBODY when it comes to marines everyone is an expert and there way is the best way. I strongly advice buying a book or 2 or a lot of self research. I agree and disagree with some points here but sure so will everyone thumbs up Personally with marines everything comes into play regarding everything, eg: Id be judging what dept i wanted substrate do to stocking and vice versa with live rock (Obviously with minimum filtration levels kept in mind) I would even need to think out coral and fish stock before deciding on a salinity level. They are just 2 variables out of millions. We have no experts in the forum or brought in, public forums are for multiple opinions, sharing and helping each other when we can. If there is anyone with some info they feel worked for them , please always feel free to post it up thumbs up But if you want to really learn how to keep salty's Rab grab a book pal and dive in , trial and error is always the best. Obviously with us helping as much as possible thumbs up Best of luck with it pal
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Post by rab007 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Thanks very much Paul ad vice taken. do u no of any good books for beginnings
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Post by Paul on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Well species dictionary's are always good both coral and fish, no particular one as they all give the same brief pic and write up of the fish/coral in question, but they are fantastic for learning about compatibility's between your desired stock thumbs up As for some general basic start to finish info id try my hand at some of these
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-book-MINI-ENCYCLOPEDIA-the-marine-aquarium-SETTING-UP-A-MARINE-FISH-TANK-/181088277874?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2a29b3d572

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/new-BOOK-tropical-TANK-MARINE-simple-MINI-REEF-AQUARIUMS-/181078855051?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item2a29240d8b

There are tons of books and even dvd's to get ye going. Id personally give "seahorse aquariums" a look through, great selection thumbs up

http://www.seahorseaquariums.com/Marine-Books/Books%2C-Magazines-%26-DVDs/109
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by igmillichip on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:34 pm

It is interesting to see a wide range of recommended live-rock weight to water volume ratios.

Personally, I don't have any preferred recommendation.

When it comes to filtration, although some are "better" than others and some are more convenient to maintain than others, what is important is that the filter works irrespective of design.
If any one type of filtration did everything, was super efficient, was cheap, was easy to instal and maintain then we would probably all use that........but that day ain't here yet.

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Post by andrewo on Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:30 pm

I dont have a preferred ratio too; just maybe the minimum of 10% (cue all the gasps and shocks! lol ) to something like 20%. Much depends on quality of the live rock ; also stocking too of course; but I dont think just using live rock is sufficient for filtration with a fish and coral heavy tank. The nitrates and phosphates level will simply hit the roof. Patience and starting off slowly helps a long long way..
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by rab007 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:54 pm

Thinking on a fish only set up with fake corals and coral rock seeing I have aload of it from the Malawi tank there seems to be a lot of work with corals in a small set up.
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Post by igmillichip on Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:55 pm

Fake Corals.............the guys from Fish Tank Kings get all hot and bothered under the collar over them, especially "if we don't get this right, then we're dead meat" {##with all pointy fingers and all that##}. ;)

20 kg of dense marble-like rock has about as much use as piece of glass with external surface area.
The ratios are, I guess, a rough rule of thumb like "a spoonful of baked beans for each person" (which sized spoon and how heaped it is is not mentioned).
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Re: help setting up my small salty tank

Post by rab007 on Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:23 pm

Hi guys hear is the out come for use at long last.











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Post by Captain birds eye on Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:56 pm

That looks fantastic, is it your 1st marine tank?

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Post by Kelly on Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:59 pm

Looking great Rab, missed this post 4444444444444
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Post by rab007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:39 pm

Captain birds eye wrote:That looks fantastic, is it your 1st marine tank?
yes first marine tank I set this one up for my mum I'm planing a large marine tank for my own place later in the year
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Post by rab007 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:40 pm

Kelly wrote:Looking great Rab, missed this post 4444444444444
thanks Kelly.
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Post by Kelly on Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:13 pm

You going ahead with the biggie then yep
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Post by lee77 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:49 am

Great set up Rab 4444444444444 
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Post by andrewo on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:12 am

Looking good there mate; what tank is it and what else are you planning to stock it with?
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Post by rab007 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:16 am

Kelly wrote:You going ahead with the biggie then yep


Still no further forward Kelly still working about the house. The internet is getting put in next week so I'll start planning and pricing tanks etc
( still want an 8x2x2 tho ) lol
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Post by rab007 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:19 am

lee77 wrote:Great set up Rab 4444444444444 
Thanks lee
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Post by rab007 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:53 am

andrewo wrote:Looking good there mate; what tank is it and what else are you planning to stock it with?
Hay Andrew the tank is a juwel Rio 125 I changed the lighting to t5 marine white and blue I pulled out the internaland added an external eheim classic filled with small prices of live rock and a bag of rophous add a small tmc v2 skimmer. Stocking wise I'm looking easy care level fish there is a pair of common clowns and a pair of Firefish Goby clean up cure I have 2 hermit crab, 2 turbo snail, Fire Cleaner Shrimp. I have no corals yet but going soft easy to care for then sit back and let it grow.
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Post by Jebb on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:55 am

Nice one rab looks really great mate job well done cant wait to see when you get the big tank congrats.
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Post by andrewo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:37 am

This is great on all accounts; by the time you are doing your own 8 footer you will be pro! :D
Pity you are so far out; I have loads of soft corals you could have to grow on.

Keep us updated.
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Post by rab007 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:02 am

andrewo wrote:This is great on all accounts; by the time you are doing your own 8 footer you will be pro! :D
Pity you are so far out; I have loads of soft corals you could have to grow on.

Keep us updated.
were abouts do u live in the south Andrew? I have a few mates that work done there during the week or ate u heading on the next forum meeting?
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Post by geofftrainor on Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:18 pm

Nice one rabb xcxc 
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Post by andrewo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:37 pm

rab007 wrote:
andrewo wrote:This is great on all accounts; by the time you are doing your own 8 footer you will be pro! :D
Pity you are so far out; I have loads of soft corals you could have to grow on.

Keep us updated.

 were abouts do u live in the south Andrew? I have a few mates that work done there during the week or ate u heading on the next forum meeting?

Tank is in Kerry; if its possible; your more than welcome to the softies which grows and grows. Yeah maybe next meet up could be ideal.
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Post by rab007 on Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:38 am

OK guys and girls i have a wee update on the 125 marine tank. was having big problems with nitrate rising and my test kit was reading 0 from what i have heard and read it was down to the   hair algae was feeding off it and growing like mad but hopefully I'm on top of it now when i first set the tank up i called in to one of the lfs to get advice on what to put in my External its an ehime 2217 1000 l/h i got off gumtree it came with full media for fresh water i was told by the young lad in the lfs to take out any sponges and filters but leave the media in as it will help to filter the tank i asked about running rowaphos and was told i didn't need it (WHAT A LOAD OF BULL sh1t) it was the media that was holding on to the nitrates and making them rise chainsaw but I now seem to be going forwards i empted all the media out of the External and filled it with live rock and i all so have carbon and rowaphos in there as well all test are showing 0 and the hair algae is starting to go thank fu%*K.

photos be for the big clean up



I have all so started to add some soft corals to the tank with really help set it off these are photos after the clean up.




the stock list fish

two common clowns
two fire fish
two hermit crabs
one cheery red shrimp

stock list soft corals

green mushrooms
Purple mushrooms
Button Polyp
pink Finger Coral
pink zoa
pulsing xenia.

i would like to add some more fish but i don't want to over kill the wee tank was thinking maybe two Three Striped Damsel or Banggai cardinalfish how do you no when enough is enough ???????
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Post by Kelly on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:08 pm

looking good rab, no sign of you getting the big tank, or is the Malawis coming back yep
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Post by andrewo on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:30 am

Looking well there. Its horrible isnt it when you test 0 for nitrates and phosphates but yet algae running havoc consuming all the nutrients. I keep an eye on tank glass and live rock these days to see if my nitrates and phosphates levels are in check.

If the tank is 3 feet you can add another fish or two no bother! thumbs up
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Post by Jordy80 on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:43 pm

Looks good Rab, at least you got it sorted before it went totally tits up! yep 
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